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Shell rot or shedding? (More pictures)
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EDIT: The top picture showing the underside doesn't seem to have any symptoms. I just put it in there for good measure.
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Posted 30 October 2007 - 12:00 PM
EDIT: Just to highlight what I am trying to show you.
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Posted 30 October 2007 - 03:07 PM
It looks like shell rot to me on the carapace. The quicker you start treating the better. The plastron looks fine to me.
Posted 30 October 2007 - 10:40 PM
Posted 31 October 2007 - 08:30 AM
Without seeing images of the RES that would be hard to guess since I think it looks differently on both. Here is why I say that sometimes in terrapins speaking of DBTs not any others, and in my opinion it starts to look like calcium buildup or mineral scum such as seen more often on Map turtles or like they may be about to shed their scutes (yours is too young) such as on RES turtle when thin scute material begins to lift off in thin layers over time in tiny sections or small pieces, but often when it starts to spread in that manner on a terps carapace and in that color and the way it appears above sadly it does tend to indicate shell rot in many cases in my experience having kept these turtles and dealt with one who came to me with it...unfortunately.
I know this DBT is said to be wild but came to you by gift. I thought by my very aging memory that you had them setup in brackish setup from previous posts due to the wild nature? Is it strictly freshwater then? I would separate them immediately. You can convert a 55g rubbermaid to budget turtle housing (let me know if you need a photo of one converted) in the meantime for one if you don't have funds or another tank laying around on short notice. Be sure you are filtering both very well and the water quality is pristine. Do you use sand or crushed coral in their tank? Do you know the ph?
As Danny said the sooner you treat the condition better off you and you're turtle are going to be. I would start a round of soaking the turtle (see links for solutions) and dry docking in deep rubbermaid on cotton towel or t-shirt strips under UVB (use care temps don't get to hot and there is warm and cool side of the bin). You can ask your Vet to prescribe some Silvadene ointment also (used for human burns) and once the shell is dry after soaking and the dry docking apply that to the shell. For more pictures and discussions of soaking and applications on shell conditions please see more information here:
From rehabbers and vets and fellow keepers I have learned this in this case of rot issues and it is worth sharing because I found it matters; always stick with it and be consistent. IMy menaing? Well often it won't work for you skip even one thing, step or treatment or stop doing everything recommended by your vet or advice in thsoe links until the situation is completely under control.
Posted 31 October 2007 - 12:08 PM
Thanks again, sorry for the shady pictures.
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Posted 31 October 2007 - 12:36 PM
DBT's do not shed until they get up to about 5 inches for the very( first ) time. That one doesnt look over 6 months old if that.
They dont shed the way red ears and sliders and others do. If you dont believe me ask Stephen from neo terrapin here on the forum. And you can go to Diamond Back Terrapin World and look up info there. though i dont think there's any info about when they'll shed first but i have spoke with the man and asked him this question. I was about to pick the scutes off and im so glad that i didnt. bottom line, he shouldnt be shedding. So at least you count shedding out now..
I bet its something to do with your water? And thats a beutiful Texan!!!
And about the time of year turtles shed. I would say thats a Summer time thing. Naturally of course. meaning in nature..
When the hot Summer sun beats down on them basking raising the old scutes. Turtles dont grow while hibernating. But they shure do during the Summer months. That why captive turtles get bigger faster than wild. a lot of people dont hibernate them and they constanly grow until they reach the size they are going to get. So if you take turtle that is 5 inches and it took only 1 year and 4 months to get them this size it may take 2.5 years to get one that big in the wild seeing that they slow down for winter and stop growing.
Edited by TexConrad, 31 October 2007 - 12:47 PM.
Posted 31 October 2007 - 12:55 PM
Posted 31 October 2007 - 01:03 PM
If you are not using any salt now, you can put 1whole cup of rock salt to every 10 gallons and it will not have to be taken out for fresh water. I was told it takes rite at 3 cups of rock salt to every 10 gallons to make the water brackish. So 1 cup will be just fine.. Thats what i use with my terrapins and i even have a betta fish living in the water. So it should work great. no need to take him out for fresh water. And he should be fine and actually loving it without having to adjust in this water condition.
Edited by TexConrad, 31 October 2007 - 01:05 PM.
Posted 31 October 2007 - 01:12 PM
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